Wed, 12/23/2009 - 17:39
Genesis 3:22-24 (New International Version)
22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side [a] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Notice that the LORD God said "The man has now become like one of US(Plural), knowing good and evil."
Maybe this "LORD" is somehow similar to the Executrix in Emperor:BFD, Four mysterious leaders each of them connected by cables that lead into the head of a speaker person, which acts as the mouth for these leaders. Also, they seem to act in union, sort of like the Holy Trinity except with four persons and a fifth acting as the mouth instrument. No, not like "Mouth of Sauron". These are literally connected to the speaker.
This "Tree of Life" sounds like something powerful, yet not within our grasp. The next sentence seems to tell us why. The LORD banished Adam to "work the ground from which he had been taken". A theory: Adam was created through genetic engineering, possibly through mixing the DNA of Neanderthals with that of the "LORD's" kind. Reminds me of when the "Divined" Dr. Petrova (the end boss) in Renegade said "Your just in time Captain Parker. The young Doctor Mobius is about to enter the next stage of human evolution, then it will be your turn." and "Tiberium has made you obsolete".
The other part of that sentence says that the "LORD God" BANISHED Adam FROM the Garden of Eden to WORK ON THE GROUND from which he had been taken. This coincides with something the Bible says about CAIN.
1 Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man." 2 Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.
Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain WORKED THE SOIL(In a different translation, "...Cain was a tiller of the ground" is used instead). 3 In the course of time CAIN BROUGHT SOME OF THE FRUITS OF THE SOIL as an offering to the LORD.
The thing we can learn from this is that BOTH Adam and Cain worked the ground, whereas Abel kept flocks!
Sounds like a metaphor meaning that Abel was chosen to LEAD!
Which could be the reason Cain became jealous and killed him.
In what sense could Adam have been banished from the garden of Eden and therefore lost the "Eternal life" that he sought?
A theory could be that Adam was put into exile on Earth from his homeworld, lets call it "Eden Prime", and as a punishment had his life longevity severely limited, which his paradise-like technologically advanced homeworld seemingly had in abundance, or maybe only it was only accessible to the royal and the elite and he was caught when he tried to get it.
Maybe Adam was created on Earth, but had originally a destiny and a relationship with "Eden Prime".
Let me draw the following thesis out of this: Eden Prime has sent Adam to Earth in exile and has then placed certain defensive systems, such as space stations with remarkably powerful weapons, such as a fiery force of some kind. The reason to this is not simply because Adam was sent to exile, what could he do? It has more to do with the philosophy behind this group. Remember, Kane is the biblical character Caïn, his fate tied to earths fate. Earth is his prison and he sees the Scrin as a way to escape it.
22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side [a] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Notice that the LORD God said "The man has now become like one of US(Plural), knowing good and evil."
Maybe this "LORD" is somehow similar to the Executrix in Emperor:BFD, Four mysterious leaders each of them connected by cables that lead into the head of a speaker person, which acts as the mouth for these leaders. Also, they seem to act in union, sort of like the Holy Trinity except with four persons and a fifth acting as the mouth instrument. No, not like "Mouth of Sauron". These are literally connected to the speaker.
He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever. 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side [a] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
This "Tree of Life" sounds like something powerful, yet not within our grasp. The next sentence seems to tell us why. The LORD banished Adam to "work the ground from which he had been taken". A theory: Adam was created through genetic engineering, possibly through mixing the DNA of Neanderthals with that of the "LORD's" kind. Reminds me of when the "Divined" Dr. Petrova (the end boss) in Renegade said "Your just in time Captain Parker. The young Doctor Mobius is about to enter the next stage of human evolution, then it will be your turn." and "Tiberium has made you obsolete".
The other part of that sentence says that the "LORD God" BANISHED Adam FROM the Garden of Eden to WORK ON THE GROUND from which he had been taken. This coincides with something the Bible says about CAIN.
1 Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man." 2 Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.
Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain WORKED THE SOIL(In a different translation, "...Cain was a tiller of the ground" is used instead). 3 In the course of time CAIN BROUGHT SOME OF THE FRUITS OF THE SOIL as an offering to the LORD.
10 The LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground. 11 Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand. 12 When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth."
13 Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.
15 But the LORD said to him, "Not so [e] ; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.
13 Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.
15 But the LORD said to him, "Not so [e] ; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.
The thing we can learn from this is that BOTH Adam and Cain worked the ground, whereas Abel kept flocks!
Sounds like a metaphor meaning that Abel was chosen to LEAD!
Which could be the reason Cain became jealous and killed him.
In what sense could Adam have been banished from the garden of Eden and therefore lost the "Eternal life" that he sought?
A theory could be that Adam was put into exile on Earth from his homeworld, lets call it "Eden Prime", and as a punishment had his life longevity severely limited, which his paradise-like technologically advanced homeworld seemingly had in abundance, or maybe only it was only accessible to the royal and the elite and he was caught when he tried to get it.
Maybe Adam was created on Earth, but had originally a destiny and a relationship with "Eden Prime".
After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Let me draw the following thesis out of this: Eden Prime has sent Adam to Earth in exile and has then placed certain defensive systems, such as space stations with remarkably powerful weapons, such as a fiery force of some kind. The reason to this is not simply because Adam was sent to exile, what could he do? It has more to do with the philosophy behind this group. Remember, Kane is the biblical character Caïn, his fate tied to earths fate. Earth is his prison and he sees the Scrin as a way to escape it.
Thu, 12/24/2009 - 18:58
#2
IMO you're taking this too deeply... It can be as short and simple as Caïn killed Abel because he was jealous of the fact God liked Abel's sacrifice better than his and he was punished for this.
Westwood only loosely based the C&C story on biblical stories, but it's not always in detail; for example, if I remember correctly Seth was also a biblical character, yet the name was the only thing the C&C Seth and the biblical Seth have in common. Most of the story you wrote above doesn't really seem to be leading to anything relevant to C&C at all really...
Westwood only loosely based the C&C story on biblical stories, but it's not always in detail; for example, if I remember correctly Seth was also a biblical character, yet the name was the only thing the C&C Seth and the biblical Seth have in common. Most of the story you wrote above doesn't really seem to be leading to anything relevant to C&C at all really...
In the sense that I don't want C&C going all StarWars on things, for example by means of again and again introducing YET another alien faction, and this time so different that it's not even C&C stylish anymore, I agree with you if you
had that in mind.
But it doesn't have to be like that. There are many clues spread out in the C&C storyline hinting at something we don't quite grasp. For instance, Kane built a scrin ship, was he planning to use it simply for warfare gainst GDI and the Scrin? That makes sense, but based on certain information that a former Dev told us, Kane viewed the Scrin as a means to free himself from his prison. This sounds like a third party is involved, the question on who put Kane in imprisonment? My guess is that a part of Kane's grand plan was to settle a score somewhere distant.
But I know what you're getting at, I don't want randomness in the C&C story either, I'm basically trying to figure things out a bit more.
Fri, 12/25/2009 - 21:56
#3
In the sense that I don't want C&C going all StarWars on things, for example by means of again and again introducing YET another alien faction, and this time so different that it's not even C&C stylish anymore, I agree with you if you
had that in mind.
had that in mind.
You can't really have one without the other. You're talking about clues in the C&C storyline and refer to things Adam Isgreen said at the petroglyph forums... Well, one of those things Adam Isgreen did mention was a martian faction, so you can't ignore that.
So if you wanna get further into this, as you guessed, I'm going to refer to my theory of that in the C&C story all humans originally migrated from Mars to Earth to hide from an incoming Scrin invasion (which finally left Mars looking the way we know it today).
So in that theory, there's a royal family which Adam and Eve are part of. The Martian leader decided that when the civilian would migrate to Earth, either Abel or Kane would become the leader there. They both had to prove themselves and when Abel proved he was the better candidate, Kane killed him and Kane was then punished by the Martian leader. In addition to that, the royal family (which Kane was also a part of) doesn't age (whether this was natural, genetic manipulation, some sort of potion or whatever), which is why Kane is as old as he is.
This all aside, it isn't really clear exactly WHY Kane would want to leave Earth (if he does at all), considering he's trying to rule it. And if he is trying to leave it, it might simply be the lack of space travel technology which is keeping him there (so the Scrin's technology would obviously allow him to travel as far into space as he'd want).
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Westwood only loosely based the C&C story on biblical stories, but it's not always in detail; for example, if I remember correctly Seth was also a biblical character, yet the name was the only thing the C&C Seth and the biblical Seth have in common. Most of the story you wrote above doesn't really seem to be leading to anything relevant to C&C at all really...