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o [MAP] Rivers of Refener - causes crashes (total freeze - no error msg)
o [MAP] Rivers of Refener - Occasionally some Tiberium Riparius' aren't displayed
o [MAP] Connexion - vehicles attack Ground on certain spots - consult mapper
o [UNIT] Occasionally only Guntowers of Hovertanks are displayed - drive disappears. reappearance upon relocation of the unit
o [UNIT] Repair tanks can't repair Hovertanks on certain spots, neither manually nor via guard-mode - random appearance. Repair possible upon relocation of the unit.
o [AI] Enemy Ioncanon always attacks cloaked targets first. Having a cloaked harvester basically nullifies this attack.
o [AI] Nod doesn't use nukes & visceroids
o [AI] visceroids turn neutral after a couple of seconds upon being spawned - and stay that way
o [AI] Standing units always fallow targets which they spotted. Especially annoying in artillery vs harvester cases when your defense goes on tour. Guard-mode doesn't fix this, for artilleries at least.
o [AI] Builds 4 Airstrips instead of the allowed 3

Hope I was of help. I will keep the reports coming in as soon as I spot some new problems. And oh yes: AI doesn't use naval units but I can't say I'd blame you for that =/

Edit: AWESOME WORK on the mod btw - I'm especially impressed by the guardmode of the repair tanks (as long as no harvesters are around Wink)
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  • Are you sure it's specifically Rivers of Refener that causes the freezes? And do they occur frequently?
  • The tiberium trees not getting displayed sounds like a weird bug... I have no idea what could cause this, but I'll look into it. Are there any specific tiberium trees that are usually not displayed on that map?
  • I made the Connexion map myself... Do you mean that units fire at groups of trees or at just and empty space on the ground? I just only found 1 spot where units might end up firing at a group of trees, but other than that I couldn't find anything. Maybe you could take a screenshot to clarify?
  • I know about the problem with the Hover MLRS and I really have no idea what causes this... I'm suspecting that it's really just a problem that occurs with the TS engine when an SHP is used for a hover unit.
  • I'll see if slightly increasing the weapon range of the mobile repair vehicle helps.
  • I'll try getting the AI to prefer cloaked target a little less, although I don't think it's possible to keep the AI from targeting cloaked targets altogether.
  • AI players will often ally with each other, meaning that if you're the only human player on the map, you'll constantly get bombarded by the nukes. I intentionally left the option for AI players to ally with each other enabled so people would be able to have comp stomp (human players vs AI players) matches online. Maybe when someone helps me to improve the AI a little (I've tried messing around with it myself, but I really don't seem to be able to get the AI to work any better than it currently does for some reason) and 2 hard AIs will already be very hard to take on even without them allying each other, I'll disable the Paranoid=yes option (which is what makes AI players ally) and I can re-enable the nuke for them. There's no way for me to make the AI properly use the seed visceroids superweapon however, considering it's actually a modified drop pod superweapon and the AI always tends to aim it only for its own base for some reason.
  • Visceroids turning neutral isn't a bug; they simply attack anyone. A problem does occur however, when there's multiple AI players on a map and they've allied each other. When AI players ally each other, they will ally any neutral units as well, meaning the visceroids won't harm the AI anymore then. This will be solved as soon as DTA's AI gets improved so that I can disable the "Paranoid" option.
  • Units chasing down any unit that comes within firing range shouldn't happen anymore in the next version of DTA.
  • The AI doesn't really seem to care about any build limits, although I personally don't mind that since it makes the AI just a little extra tough (plus the AI never really uses the A10s as tactically as a human player would, so it's not really as destructive in their hands to begin with.

Thanks for your input Smile
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Rivers of revefener:
I haven't played all maps yet. but I played the bigger ones about 4-8 times each, though. so far, crashes only appeared on RoR which I tried three times in total now, each game (5 AIs) beeing interrupted by a crash. the invisible TRs only occurred the last time I played it, they were still functional but only a total of 3 in the east of the map were visible. I didn't look into checking reoccurrence yet. Other than that no crashes occurred ever.

Connexion:
I checked again and yes, it was only this triple-tree thingy in south-west next to the center-isle Smile

Paranoid:
maybe it would be best to turn paranoid (allied AI) and/or super weapons into seperate options you can choose from before starting the game, just like "fast game" for example. Of course, I don't quite know if that's even possible D:

In any case I'm happy to hear about the changes you are currently working on - keep it going, man Laughing out loud
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shoX. wrote:
Rivers of revefener:
I haven't played all maps yet. but I played the bigger ones about 4-8 times each, though. so far, crashes only appeared on RoR which I tried three times in total now, each game (5 AIs) beeing interrupted by a crash. the invisible TRs only occurred the last time I played it, they were still functional but only a total of 3 in the east of the map were visible. I didn't look into checking reoccurrence yet. Other than that no crashes occurred ever.

Weird... I'll and look further into what exactly is up with that map, although on first sight everything seems exactly fine in the map editor.
shoX. wrote:
Connexion:
I checked again and yes, it was only this triple-tree thingy in south-west next to the center-isle Smile

Alright, that should be fixed already then Smile
shoX. wrote:
Paranoid:
maybe it would be best to turn paranoid (allied AI) and/or super weapons into seperate options you can choose from before starting the game, just like "fast game" for example. Of course, I don't quite know if that's even possible D:

Yes, this is something many mods and people are wishing for, but unfortunately no such logic exists and there's only few people active in the C&C modding community that might be able to do it.
shoX. wrote:
In any case I'm happy to hear about the changes you are currently working on - keep it going, man Laughing out loud

Thanks Laughing out loud
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here we go again. I think you already know most of 'em but I'll list them anyway.

- The Music overmodulates randomly. Music Volume also turns down to near silence randomly.
- APC and Phase Transport will only sometimes allow to carry infantry. Transport helicopter works fine though.
- Carryall displays five squares when selected, suggesting the ability to carry five units (which it doesn't ingame, of course)
- When FOW is disabled, explosions, craters, Ion Beams and Tiberium Trees are invisible in unvisited areas upon collecting crates that clean fog
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shoX. wrote:
The Music overmodulates randomly. Music Volume also turns down to near silence randomly.

I actually haven't really noticed myself because I rarely play with music on (I normally just turn the volume all the way down and listen to WMP in the background) and the couple times I did play with music on, it sounded perfectly fine. I'll see if anything can be done about this (if there really is a problem) however.
shoX. wrote:
APC and Phase Transport will only sometimes allow to carry infantry.

Yeah, I know about this and really don't have any idea what causes this. I know that one of the causes is hijackers; after a hijacker has entered an APC, no other infantry will be able to enter it anymore for some reason. When the hijacker isn't the cause however, often moving the APC to a different location will allow infantry to enter it (which suggest this might be a terrain-related issue).
shoX. wrote:
Carryall displays five squares when selected, suggesting the ability to carry five units (which it doesn't ingame, of course)

Strange... The carryall actually should be able to carry infantry (it just can't when it's already carrying a vehicle). The voxel was actually made after the concept art on this page, on which it's obvious that it actually really should be able to carry infantry.
shoX. wrote:
When FOW is disabled, explosions, craters, Ion Beams and Tiberium Trees are invisible in unvisited areas upon collecting crates that clean fog

Yeah, the tiberium trees issue has been mentioned already. I'll have a look at the art.ini code to see this (and the explosions as well) can be fixed.
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shoX. wrote:
o [MAP] Rivers of Refener - causes crashes (total freeze - no error msg)
o [MAP] Rivers of Refener - Occasionally some Tiberium Riparius' aren't displayed

o I have the same problem, not only with Rivers of Refener (which is my own map) but I've also had it with some others (although it's the most common with Rivers of Refener). However some other computers which I've played DTA 1.10 on haven't had the same problem for some reason. I'll test this more in the weekend, but there shouldn't be anything wrong with the map, except maybe some roads made with the Finalsun copy/paste function (but that shouldn't cause any freezes?).

As for the problem with Tiberium Riparius' not getting drawn, I assume you picked up a map reveal crate? When you pick one, it reveals the whole map but TS still thinks that the Tiberium trees are under the shroud and doesn't draw them. To see them you must go and "reveal" them with some unit or building.
I get this same bug in all DTA maps and also in base TS and it's not related to Rivers of Refener at all.

shoX. wrote:
The Music overmodulates randomly. Music Volume also turns down to near silence randomly.

If you have a dual-core or a quad-core processor, set DTA.exe's affinity to only one core (I get the same bug when I run TS/DTA with multiple cores).
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Bittah Commander wrote:

Strange... The carryall actually should be able to carry infantry (it just can't when it's already carrying a vehicle). The voxel was actually made after the concept art on this page, on which it's obvious that it actually really should be able to carry infantry.


ah! I didn't know about the infantry stuff! never mind, then, it works perfectly fine!

Rampastein wrote:
If you have a dual-core or a quad-core processor, set DTA.exe's affinity to only one core (I get the same bug when I run TS/DTA with multiple cores).


I'll check it out! thanks for telling.

Also, I had crushes too on lost temple. they occurred after i resized the map, however the map I currently work on (100x150) has a random chance to become "crashing" after any saving. I fixed lost temple by copying the map on a new blank one and reapplying the deco by hand. did work so far - major pain on big maps, though. copying the [Terrain] code into the new file did work some times, but not always. Once, I copied all the code of the map into a new file and and it worked again without crashes (srsly wtf >_< . worked only once though) - but then I had to do some changes - and again - and again >.<. So I'll start worrying about that damn crashing and copy-pasting issue once I stopped nit-picking about the map design.
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Well, I think I -might- have solved the game freeze issue for version 1.11. Some more testing is required however...
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tell me if you need help testing stuff.
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getting the feeling it has something to do with terrain objects being placed on top of gray sand... will look into that.
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That would be interesting, although weird (and even if that was the case, I'd actually expect an internal error as soon as it's visible on anyone's screen).

Check your private messages by the way; it seems you didn't notice you received one Tongue

Edit:
It seems the game freeze issue still hasn't been fixed after all Sad
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The freeze error is quite random; I got it nearly every time when I was making Rivers of Refener and decided to test it. However, when I was testing the final version for bugs I played a 2-hour game and it never froze.

There were some bugs to fix though, and the version which I posted to Tiberiumweb is different than the one which I tested and which didn't cause freezes.. and I'm not sure if the original DTA 1.09 version which I released on Tiberiumweb has these freezes. But as we can see the DTA 1.10 version does.

I still have DTA 1.07, 1.09 and 1.10 installed at the same time, maybe I'll test the Tiberiumweb release version and see whether it causes freezes or not.
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Well, I already know the freezes started with DTA 1.10, but I'm clueless about the actual cause.
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Alright, just had a lanparty this weekend and I noticed a few bugs:

In Radial Range, some (most?) of the northern tiberium fields are too close to the map border to be harvestable.

In Deceiving Adjacency the southeastern (and probably also the southwestern one, but this time it was a human player) player location is too close to the cliff and it should be moved to the road. This may cause the AI to lock itself sometimes:
 

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